Received Form SSA-821-BK

On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:43:01 -0400, None2Special

Post by None2Special
We received form SSA-821-BK for my husband. He has not worked in any
way since his disability progressed. They have his disability insurance
listed as income, and his final short term disability payments from his
prior employer back in 05. This form asks for pay rates, etc...but he
has no hourly pay rate. What the heck is up with this? Should we
complete this ourselves, or take it to the local office, or call the 800
#? Jack, you've helped us in the past with issues, why would we get
this now and what would you suggest we do? Just receiving this is
stressful, not to mention the fear of screwing up his benefits by
completing something wrong.

They should have sent some type of explanation, e.g., earnings are
showing up in our system, a 3rd party reported that you have returned
to work, etc.

I would complete the form and state emphatically that he hasn't worked
in any way since his established onset date. Repeat the statement
multiple times throughout the form. Where they ask for "Employer,"
say "None."

It could be that the final disability pmts. from his employer somehow
showed up as wages and the system triggered the 821. In item 2 where
they ask you to explain why earnings are showing up, say "I do not
know," and repeat the statement that you have not worked since onset
date.

If possible, make a copy of the completed 821 for your records.

None2Special

2010-07-06 16:51:32 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:43:01 -0400, None2Special

They should have sent some type of explanation, e.g., earnings are
showing up in our system, a 3rd party reported that you have returned
to work, etc.
I would complete the form and state emphatically that he hasn't worked
in any way since his established onset date. Repeat the statement
multiple times throughout the form. Where they ask for "Employer,"
say "None."
It could be that the final disability pmts. from his employer somehow
showed up as wages and the system triggered the 821. In item 2 where
they ask you to explain why earnings are showing up, say "I do not
know," and repeat the statement that you have not worked since onset
date.
If possible, make a copy of the completed 821 for your records.

The form states in box 2 "You Reported A Change In Work Activity" which
is not true for him in any way. I returned to work. I was previously a
stay at home mom, went to school, got my degree and started my career.
We have another family member that stays with us now to help out. I
called them last year to report my return to work status because they
said I had to report if I would make more than 10k a year...and then it
would write off the 1 for 2 I earn. They haven't stopped my payments
and haven't stated if there is something else I had to do for myself.

He still receives an extremely small amount from his LTD carrier
MetLife, which files it partially as earned income on a W2. The SSA-821
pre-sheet lists his income since he went out of work...including his
final half year wages, then this partial met-life payment for each year
since. What confuses me, is how to properly fill out each section that
asks for details for each of these company listings....especially date
work started, ended, hourly pay, etc. Each one states I stopped working
within 6 months because:

It's not like he worked to earn anything as a paid job in order to use
TWP or TTW or anything like that. Are they trying to put this towards
those limited trial periods?

So with the 2 different situations, how should I respond? I know this
form is for him and I won't mention the spouse benefit on it...and I
guess I can wing those fields I mentioned before. What about the spouse
bene? I just want to make sure I handle this the right way, obviously
I'm the one doing the business and I don't want to screw him...or our
family.

Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

2010-07-06 17:58:22 UTC

On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:51:32 -0400, None2Special

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:43:01 -0400, None2Special

They should have sent some type of explanation, e.g., earnings are
showing up in our system, a 3rd party reported that you have returned
to work, etc.
I would complete the form and state emphatically that he hasn't worked
in any way since his established onset date. Repeat the statement
multiple times throughout the form. Where they ask for "Employer,"
say "None."
It could be that the final disability pmts. from his employer somehow
showed up as wages and the system triggered the 821. In item 2 where
they ask you to explain why earnings are showing up, say "I do not
know," and repeat the statement that you have not worked since onset
date.
If possible, make a copy of the completed 821 for your records.

The form states in box 2 "You Reported A Change In Work Activity" which
is not true for him in any way. I returned to work. I was previously a
stay at home mom, went to school, got my degree and started my career.
We have another family member that stays with us now to help out. I
called them last year to report my return to work status because they
said I had to report if I would make more than 10k a year...and then it
would write off the 1 for 2 I earn. They haven't stopped my payments
and haven't stated if there is something else I had to do for myself.
He still receives an extremely small amount from his LTD carrier
MetLife, which files it partially as earned income on a W2. The SSA-821
pre-sheet lists his income since he went out of work...including his
final half year wages, then this partial met-life payment for each year
since. What confuses me, is how to properly fill out each section that
asks for details for each of these company listings....especially date
work started, ended, hourly pay, etc. Each one states I stopped working
It's not like he worked to earn anything as a paid job in order to use
TWP or TTW or anything like that. Are they trying to put this towards
those limited trial periods?
So with the 2 different situations, how should I respond? I know this
form is for him and I won't mention the spouse benefit on it...and I
guess I can wing those fields I mentioned before. What about the spouse
bene? I just want to make sure I handle this the right way, obviously
I'm the one doing the business and I don't want to screw him...or our
family.

I am looking at a 2009 version of the SSA-821-BK.

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/online/ssa-821.pdf
____________

The box 2 you talk about regarding "You Reported A Change In Work
Activity" must be on a pre-form unless my eyes are failing. I can't
find it on the 821. At any rate:

SSA-821-BK

Item II, 1, check "no."

Item II, 2, enter "I presume that any postings were for wages earned
prior to onset as well payments from employer's insurance carrier.
Otherwise, I don't know."

Item II, 3. A., Tell them in remarks section that there has been no
work activity since onset date.

You can repeat this for the B. and C. or just leave them blank.

Ignore the reference to 6 months. This pertains to people who
actually did work, but then stopped again in 6 months. Under certain
conditions, this work can be an unsuccessful work attempt. In your
case, there was no work activity so it's inapplicable.

Item 4. Leave boxes blank and enter in the "no" box: "I did no work
activity since onset date."

Item 5. Next to "no" block enter, "N/A did not work since onset."

Item 6. You could enter LTD pmts. (I assume that husband was not
govt. employee because those types of disability pmts. could reduce
his SSDI.)

Item 7. "N/A did not work since onset."

Item 8. Check the two "no" blocks
______

There can be no TWP issue if he hasn't worked since onset.

Also, regarding II.2., he could add that you reported your own
projected earnings which they misidentified as his, but I don't know
whether I'd want to open that can of worms. If you dutifully reported
your earnings and they made no reduction in the spouse's benefit amt.,
then it might be best to let it lie. Anyway, the issue with the 821
is his supposed work activity, not yours.

JW

Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

2010-07-06 18:01:34 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
Item 4. Leave boxes blank and enter in the "no" box: "I did no work
activity since onset date."

Correction: Make the entry next to the box, not in it.

None2Special

2010-07-08 11:48:23 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
Item 4. Leave boxes blank and enter in the "no" box: "I did no work
activity since onset date."

Correction: Make the entry next to the box, not in it.

:) I figured that, thanks for clarification for anyone else who might
receive these also.

None2Special

2010-07-08 11:49:03 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:51:32 -0400, None2Special

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:43:01 -0400, None2Special

They should have sent some type of explanation, e.g., earnings are
showing up in our system, a 3rd party reported that you have returned
to work, etc.
I would complete the form and state emphatically that he hasn't worked
in any way since his established onset date. Repeat the statement
multiple times throughout the form. Where they ask for "Employer,"
say "None."
It could be that the final disability pmts. from his employer somehow
showed up as wages and the system triggered the 821. In item 2 where
they ask you to explain why earnings are showing up, say "I do not
know," and repeat the statement that you have not worked since onset
date.
If possible, make a copy of the completed 821 for your records.

The form states in box 2 "You Reported A Change In Work Activity" which
is not true for him in any way. I returned to work. I was previously a
stay at home mom, went to school, got my degree and started my career.
We have another family member that stays with us now to help out. I
called them last year to report my return to work status because they
said I had to report if I would make more than 10k a year...and then it
would write off the 1 for 2 I earn. They haven't stopped my payments
and haven't stated if there is something else I had to do for myself.
He still receives an extremely small amount from his LTD carrier
MetLife, which files it partially as earned income on a W2. The SSA-821
pre-sheet lists his income since he went out of work...including his
final half year wages, then this partial met-life payment for each year
since. What confuses me, is how to properly fill out each section that
asks for details for each of these company listings....especially date
work started, ended, hourly pay, etc. Each one states I stopped working
It's not like he worked to earn anything as a paid job in order to use
TWP or TTW or anything like that. Are they trying to put this towards
those limited trial periods?
So with the 2 different situations, how should I respond? I know this
form is for him and I won't mention the spouse benefit on it...and I
guess I can wing those fields I mentioned before. What about the spouse
bene? I just want to make sure I handle this the right way, obviously
I'm the one doing the business and I don't want to screw him...or our
family.

I am looking at a 2009 version of the SSA-821-BK.
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/online/ssa-821.pdf
____________
The box 2 you talk about regarding "You Reported A Change In Work
Activity" must be on a pre-form unless my eyes are failing. I can't
SSA-821-BK
Item II, 1, check "no."
Item II, 2, enter "I presume that any postings were for wages earned
prior to onset as well payments from employer's insurance carrier.
Otherwise, I don't know."
Item II, 3. A., Tell them in remarks section that there has been no
work activity since onset date.
You can repeat this for the B. and C. or just leave them blank.
Ignore the reference to 6 months. This pertains to people who
actually did work, but then stopped again in 6 months. Under certain
conditions, this work can be an unsuccessful work attempt. In your
case, there was no work activity so it's inapplicable.
Item 4. Leave boxes blank and enter in the "no" box: "I did no work
activity since onset date."
Item 5. Next to "no" block enter, "N/A did not work since onset."
Item 6. You could enter LTD pmts. (I assume that husband was not
govt. employee because those types of disability pmts. could reduce
his SSDI.)
Item 7. "N/A did not work since onset."
Item 8. Check the two "no" blocks
______
There can be no TWP issue if he hasn't worked since onset.
Also, regarding II.2., he could add that you reported your own
projected earnings which they misidentified as his, but I don't know
whether I'd want to open that can of worms. If you dutifully reported
your earnings and they made no reduction in the spouse's benefit amt.,
then it might be best to let it lie. Anyway, the issue with the 821
is his supposed work activity, not yours.
JW

Hi again,

The box 2 I mentioned, is actually part I #2...which they typed in "You
Reported A Change In Work Activity". Sorry that I missed that it was in
their part I section.

Everything you suggested matches perfectly with the form in my hand, and
your suggestions make perfect sense for our circumstances. I'm not
going to mention my income as you're right, it has nothing to do with his.

As for my income, with your experience, what is the best way to report
this income and make sure they receive and document it correctly? Up
until now, I faxed my first pay stubs to the local office with a cover
page explaining what it was and my opinion on my future earnings as she
requested. Since they first asked for the fax over the phone, we have
not heard anything further. I have not sent them additional faxes, but
I have just now hit the yearly threshold they said would then cause the
reduction of 1 for 2. Should I fax my most recent pay stub showing this
information, keep record of the fax, and if hear nothing more go back
onto the quiet mode?

Thanks.

Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

2010-07-08 12:30:55 UTC

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:49:03 -0400, None2Special

Post by None2Special
The box 2 I mentioned, is actually part I #2...which they typed in "You
Reported A Change In Work Activity". Sorry that I missed that it was in
their part I section.

Enter somewhere: " I did not report any work activity. There has been
no work activity since onset date."

Post by None2Special
As for my income, with your experience, what is the best way to report
this income and make sure they receive and document it correctly? Up
until now, I faxed my first pay stubs to the local office with a cover
page explaining what it was and my opinion on my future earnings as she
requested. Since they first asked for the fax over the phone, we have
not heard anything further. I have not sent them additional faxes, but
I have just now hit the yearly threshold they said would then cause the
reduction of 1 for 2. Should I fax my most recent pay stub showing this
information, keep record of the fax, and if hear nothing more go back
onto the quiet mode?
Thanks.

When the issue pertains to disabled beneficiaries and TWPs / SGA, the
law requires them to give a receipt. Disabled beneficiaries should
insist on it.

You're talking now about work deductions under the earnings test for
non-disabled title II auxiliary beneficiaries. Send them whatever you
have as well as your own statement. Keep copies. Scanning through
the regulations and POMS, I couldn't find any requirement for them to
issue a receipt. For peace of mind, you might want to ask for a
receipt. If they don't accommodate you, then just let it rest.

None2Special

2010-07-08 12:45:26 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:49:03 -0400, None2Special

Post by None2Special
The box 2 I mentioned, is actually part I #2...which they typed in "You
Reported A Change In Work Activity". Sorry that I missed that it was in
their part I section.

Enter somewhere: " I did not report any work activity. There has been
no work activity since onset date."

When the issue pertains to disabled beneficiaries and TWPs / SGA, the
law requires them to give a receipt. Disabled beneficiaries should
insist on it.
You're talking now about work deductions under the earnings test for
non-disabled title II auxiliary beneficiaries. Send them whatever you
have as well as your own statement. Keep copies. Scanning through
the regulations and POMS, I couldn't find any requirement for them to
issue a receipt. For peace of mind, you might want to ask for a
receipt. If they don't accommodate you, then just let it rest.

Thanks so much for your help with this. We now know how to return this
letter, and also to CYA with my earnings for title II aux ben.

:) Take care Jack.

Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

2010-07-08 13:59:20 UTC

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:45:26 -0400, None2Special

Post by None2Special
Thanks so much for your help with this. We now know how to return this
letter, and also to CYA with my earnings for title II aux ben.

If you're sure that a withholding of your aux. benefit is is order and
they fail to make it within a reasonable period of time, you might
want to inquire further.

This is because even if you did everything right and you are without
fault in causing the overpayment, they'll still try to recover unless
recovery would defeat the purpose of title II or be against equity and
good conscience. These two legal concepts are discussed here:

http://ftp.ssa.gov/OP_Home/cfr20/404/404-0508.htm

§404.508 Defeat the purpose of Title II.
_________

http://ftp.ssa.gov/OP_Home/cfr20/404/404-0509.htm

§404.509 Against equity and good conscience; defined.
_________

When a family has at least two younger children and a spouse is
employed, it's often better for the spouse not to apply for benefits.
This will ensure that the disability max will be paid.

Relayer

2010-07-08 15:37:28 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
When a family has at least two younger children and a spouse is
employed, it's often better for the spouse not to apply for benefits.
This will ensure that the disability max will be paid.

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt qualify,
thereby shooting herself in the foot.

Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

2010-07-08 15:43:32 UTC

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt qualify,
thereby shooting herself in the foot.

I think that this lady wasn't working at first.

Also, I think that the local office didn't explain to her the
ramifications of going to work.

Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

2010-07-08 15:47:52 UTC

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt qualify,
thereby shooting herself in the foot.

And shooting the kids in the foot too because their benefits were
figured as if she were taking her full slice of the maximum pie even
tho her slice was reduced or cancelled altogether because of work
activity.

The local office should do a better job of explaining all the various
situations that can affect total family benefits.

None2Special

2010-07-13 12:52:01 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt qualify,
thereby shooting herself in the foot.

And shooting the kids in the foot too because their benefits were
figured as if she were taking her full slice of the maximum pie even
tho her slice was reduced or cancelled altogether because of work
activity.
The local office should do a better job of explaining all the various
situations that can affect total family benefits.

That is exactly the case. I would not have taken a piece of my
children's pie had it been explained that there was a family max that
they were going to receive anyways. Especially knowing I would be going
back to school to prepare for a larger future of uncertainty. And then
my future career was going to cancel out part of what they should be
receiving from their father's disability.

But we're an honest family and made sure the local office knew the
entire story. They decided it was in my best interest to have it filed
and split including me. Of course, we didn't know the ramifications of
this action.

The one other thing I don't remember, if the max is met this year, does
it stop it for all future years as well? Or when January comes around,
does the family max kick back in until I meet the annual limit?

Jack, now that we've returned the SSA-821-BK, I now want to make sure I
properly have my income to date and future estimate documented. What
would you suggest as the best way to do that? They advised before they
would not issue receipts of any sort for it. They also advised any
overpayment would require reimbursement. Is faxing the local office an
ok way to do this? Or should I send it in via certified priority
mail...like we have with any other paperwork for my husband? And if by
mail, to the local office, or the same Baltimore location that the
SSA-821 went to?

Thanks again.

Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

2010-07-13 15:26:42 UTC

On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:52:01 -0400, None2Special

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt qualify,
thereby shooting herself in the foot.

And shooting the kids in the foot too because their benefits were
figured as if she were taking her full slice of the maximum pie even
tho her slice was reduced or cancelled altogether because of work
activity.
The local office should do a better job of explaining all the various
situations that can affect total family benefits.

That is exactly the case. I would not have taken a piece of my
children's pie had it been explained that there was a family max that
they were going to receive anyways. Especially knowing I would be going
back to school to prepare for a larger future of uncertainty. And then
my future career was going to cancel out part of what they should be
receiving from their father's disability.
But we're an honest family and made sure the local office knew the
entire story. They decided it was in my best interest to have it filed
and split including me. Of course, we didn't know the ramifications of
this action.
The one other thing I don't remember, if the max is met this year, does
it stop it for all future years as well? Or when January comes around,
does the family max kick back in until I meet the annual limit?
Jack, now that we've returned the SSA-821-BK, I now want to make sure I
properly have my income to date and future estimate documented. What
would you suggest as the best way to do that? They advised before they
would not issue receipts of any sort for it. They also advised any
overpayment would require reimbursement. Is faxing the local office an
ok way to do this? Or should I send it in via certified priority
mail...like we have with any other paperwork for my husband? And if by
mail, to the local office, or the same Baltimore location that the
SSA-821 went to?
Thanks again.

They will continue to adjust your benefit amt. based on your estimate
of earnings. In other words, if you are in deductions now based on
your earnings and you continue to work at that level, the max won't be
restored. You probably know also that your employer (if you're not
self-employed) sends SSA a W-2 at the end of the yr. and adjustments
are made if the amt. differs from estimates.

On the other issue, frankly I'm surprised that you did not return the
821 to the local office because they are the primary evaluators of
work activity even for disabled beneficiaries. (The DDS gets involved
in cases involving unsuccessful work attempts because these involve a
judgment of whether work stopped within six months due to worsening of
the impairment.) At any rate, for your work activity estimates as a
non-disabled aux, deal with the local office. I wouldn't incur the
cost of priority mail even tho they're not giving receipts, but keep
copies of everything. Rather than cert.mail, I'd first call the local
office and report estimated work activity and tell them you will
follow-up with a fax or snail mail. Ask for the rep's name even if
(s)he provides only a first name.

________
Earnings Test For Non-Disabled Beneficiaries

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/subchapterlist!openview&restricttocategory=03025

None2Special

2010-07-16 15:41:20 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
They will continue to adjust your benefit amt. based on your estimate
of earnings. In other words, if you are in deductions now based on
your earnings and you continue to work at that level, the max won't be
restored. You probably know also that your employer (if you're not
self-employed) sends SSA a W-2 at the end of the yr. and adjustments
are made if the amt. differs from estimates.

Thanks for that info.

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On the other issue, frankly I'm surprised that you did not return the
821 to the local office because they are the primary evaluators of
work activity even for disabled beneficiaries. (The DDS gets involved

This is where they said to return it in their packet.

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
in cases involving unsuccessful work attempts because these involve a
judgment of whether work stopped within six months due to worsening of
the impairment.) At any rate, for your work activity estimates as a
non-disabled aux, deal with the local office. I wouldn't incur the
cost of priority mail even tho they're not giving receipts, but keep
copies of everything. Rather than cert.mail, I'd first call the local
office and report estimated work activity and tell them you will
follow-up with a fax or snail mail. Ask for the rep's name even if
(s)he provides only a first name.

ok. That's what I did when I first reported that I was starting work.
I do have the rep's information. About how often would you suggest I
re-submit information? The last estimate she did was based on and for
last year. I haven't heard anything since then. I don't want to open a
can of worms in any way, but I also want to make sure I'm doing it right.

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
________
Earnings Test For Non-Disabled Beneficiaries
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/subchapterlist!openview&restricttocategory=03025

Thanks for the link, it helped somewhat.

Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)

2010-07-16 16:28:52 UTC

On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:41:20 -0400, None2Special

Thanks for that info.

This is where they said to return it in their packet.

I know. I should have worded it differently to say that it was
surprising to learn that they didn't request return to the local
office.

You should advise them whenever there has been a change in your pay.

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
________
Earnings Test For Non-Disabled Beneficiaries
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/subchapterlist!openview&restricttocategory=03025

Thanks for the link, it helped somewhat.

Link was offered because I don't really have a good grasp of the
earnings test. It's a non-disability issue in which I was rarely
involved and even then it was many, many moons ago. E.g., you'll see
references to grace periods and I don't know whether this pertains
only to primary beneficiaries who are drawing old-age retirement
benefits, or also includes title II auxiliaries like yourself. That's
just one example.

None2Special

2010-08-28 17:02:29 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:41:20 -0400, None2Special

Thanks for that info.

This is where they said to return it in their packet.

I know. I should have worded it differently to say that it was
surprising to learn that they didn't request return to the local
office.

You should advise them whenever there has been a change in your pay.

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
________
Earnings Test For Non-Disabled Beneficiaries
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/subchapterlist!openview&restricttocategory=03025

Thanks for the link, it helped somewhat.

Thanks for the help on all of this. We received a response saying:
"This letter is only a decision about how your work affects your
disability payments. The law also requires us to review your medical
condition to make sure you are still disabled under our rules."

It then says the file will be forwarded to the DDS in our state, if they
need additional info they'll tell us, and we'll receive another letter
when the review is finished. So, does this mean we aren't going to get
the short or long form, but are being thrown into a full review?

On top of this, we've had our answering machine full of automated
messages about the TTW program and how it would prevent medical reviews.
WTH? Are they trying to make people second guess their condition's
progression and own doctor's statements? What should we really expect?

SixStringStu

2010-08-28 18:16:09 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:41:20 -0400, None2Special

Thanks for that info.

This is where they said to return it in their packet.

I know. I should have worded it differently to say that it was
surprising to learn that they didn't request return to the local
office.

You should advise them whenever there has been a change in your pay.

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
________
Earnings Test For Non-Disabled Beneficiaries
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/subchapterlist!openview&restricttocategory=03025

Thanks for the link, it helped somewhat.

"This letter is only a decision about how your work affects your
disability payments. The law also requires us to review your medical
condition to make sure you are still disabled under our rules."
It then says the file will be forwarded to the DDS in our state, if they
need additional info they'll tell us, and we'll receive another letter
when the review is finished. So, does this mean we aren't going to get
the short or long form, but are being thrown into a full review?
On top of this, we've had our answering machine full of automated messages
about the TTW program and how it would prevent medical reviews. WTH? Are
they trying to make people second guess their condition's progression and
own doctor's statements? What should we really expect?

You will most likely go into a full CDR. Not to worry if your condition
hasn't improved.
If you have looked into TTW? Understand that at the end of nine months it
could possibly trigger a full CDR, so it's best to get it out of the way.
;-)

Understand also, that if you have been on disability for more then two
years, your work might not trigger a CDR as long as your income is far
enough below SGA. Regular reporting and paying of your taxes works both ways
for us "working, but honesty is ALLWAYS the best policy.
HTH

Johnny

2010-08-28 18:53:43 UTC

Post by SixStringStu

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:41:20 -0400, None2Special

Thanks for that info.

This is where they said to return it in their packet.

I know. I should have worded it differently to say that it was
surprising to learn that they didn't request return to the local
office.

You should advise them whenever there has been a change in your pay.

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
________
Earnings Test For Non-Disabled Beneficiaries
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/subchapterlist!openview&restri...

Thanks for the link, it helped somewhat.

You will most likely go into a full CDR. Not to worry if your condition
hasn't improved.
If you have looked into TTW? Understand that at the end of nine months it
could possibly trigger a full CDR, so it's best to get it out of the way.
;-)
Understand also, that if you have been on disability for more then two
years, your work might not trigger a CDR as long as your income is far
enough below SGA. Regular reporting and paying of your taxes works both ways
for us "working, but honesty is ALLWAYS the best policy.
HTH

Have things changed since 2005? Because my buddy Jeff had his
disability terminated after working, part time, for 12 months. He only
worked 3 days a week(24 hours) at slightly above min wage, but got a
notice from SSA that he was no longer eligible to receive benefits.
The dummy never appealed, but just last year he reapplied, when he
should have just needed to be redetermined? That's what a DDS employee
told him he had to do. Then he spoke with the local office, got
expedited benefits?, and then lost those.They(SSA) said since his
original claim in which he was disabled and got approved, they felt he
was no longer disabled.He had already "reapplied" and was turned down,
he appealed that decision. He's waiting to go before an ALJ, but man,
it's taking a LONG time:-( Quite a screwed up affair to say the
least. Johnny

SixStringStu

2010-08-28 21:18:08 UTC

Post by SixStringStu

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:41:20 -0400, None2Special

Thanks for that info.

This is where they said to return it in their packet.

I know. I should have worded it differently to say that it was
surprising to learn that they didn't request return to the local
office.

You should advise them whenever there has been a change in your pay.

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
________
Earnings Test For Non-Disabled Beneficiaries
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/subchapterlist!openview&restri...

Thanks for the link, it helped somewhat.

You will most likely go into a full CDR. Not to worry if your condition
hasn't improved.
If you have looked into TTW? Understand that at the end of nine months it
could possibly trigger a full CDR, so it's best to get it out of the way.
;-)
Understand also, that if you have been on disability for more then two
years, your work might not trigger a CDR as long as your income is far
enough below SGA. Regular reporting and paying of your taxes works both ways
for us "working, but honesty is ALLWAYS the best policy.
HTH

Johnny

2010-08-28 22:49:53 UTC

Post by Johnny

Post by SixStringStu

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:41:20 -0400, None2Special

Thanks for that info.

This is where they said to return it in their packet.

I know. I should have worded it differently to say that it was
surprising to learn that they didn't request return to the local
office.

You should advise them whenever there has been a change in your pay.

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
________
Earnings Test For Non-Disabled Beneficiaries
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/subchapterlist!openview&restri...

Thanks for the link, it helped somewhat.

You will most likely go into a full CDR. Not to worry if your condition
hasn't improved.
If you have looked into TTW? Understand that at the end of nine months it
could possibly trigger a full CDR, so it's best to get it out of the way.
;-)
Understand also, that if you have been on disability for more then two
years, your work might not trigger a CDR as long as your income is far
enough below SGA. Regular reporting and paying of your taxes works both ways
for us "working, but honesty is ALLWAYS the best policy.
HTH

Have to ask him about that, get back with the details :-) Johnny

None2Special

2010-08-28 20:08:55 UTC

Post by SixStringStu
You will most likely go into a full CDR. Not to worry if your condition
hasn't improved.
If you have looked into TTW? Understand that at the end of nine months it
could possibly trigger a full CDR, so it's best to get it out of the way.
;-)
Understand also, that if you have been on disability for more then two
years, your work might not trigger a CDR as long as your income is far
enough below SGA. Regular reporting and paying of your taxes works both ways
for us "working, but honesty is ALLWAYS the best policy.
HTH

We're always honest about our situation. My husband will be in a steady
progression until he's out of our lives. It's been 5 years since they
finally started paying his SSDI, after we honestly provided everything
they wanted.

It's just the ignorance within the system that is bugging me. I work,
not him. I report earnings, including the part of his LTD insurance
that must be reported and it causes an issue. Again, more ignorance,
stress and aggravation.

Damn-It''s-Hill (Jack)

2010-08-29 09:02:50 UTC

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:08:55 -0400, None2Special

We're always honest about our situation. My husband will be in a steady
progression until he's out of our lives. It's been 5 years since they
finally started paying his SSDI, after we honestly provided everything
they wanted.
It's just the ignorance within the system that is bugging me. I work,
not him. I report earnings, including the part of his LTD insurance
that must be reported and it causes an issue. Again, more ignorance,
stress and aggravation.

As Stu noted, and I overlooked, work activity per se shall not trigger
a CDR if the beneficiary has been on the rolls for at least 24 months.
The review that SSA is contemplating may be the regularly-scheduled
review, even though their correspondence to you suggests that it is
based on work activity. If this is actually the regularly-scheduled
review and your husband's impairment is rated as MINE, they will
probably send the short form.

None2Special

2010-08-29 12:47:51 UTC

Post by Damn-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:08:55 -0400, None2Special

We're always honest about our situation. My husband will be in a steady
progression until he's out of our lives. It's been 5 years since they
finally started paying his SSDI, after we honestly provided everything
they wanted.
It's just the ignorance within the system that is bugging me. I work,
not him. I report earnings, including the part of his LTD insurance
that must be reported and it causes an issue. Again, more ignorance,
stress and aggravation.

Thanks Jack, and others that have replied too. I'll wait and see what
happens with his case. If they start a CDR and I receive the forms,
I'll make sure to hop on here again as I'm sure I'll have questions.

Damn-It''s-Hill (Jack)

2010-08-28 18:56:41 UTC

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:02:29 -0400, None2Special

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:41:20 -0400, None2Special

Thanks for that info.

This is where they said to return it in their packet.

I know. I should have worded it differently to say that it was
surprising to learn that they didn't request return to the local
office.

You should advise them whenever there has been a change in your pay.

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
________
Earnings Test For Non-Disabled Beneficiaries
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/subchapterlist!openview&restricttocategory=03025

Thanks for the link, it helped somewhat.

"This letter is only a decision about how your work affects your
disability payments. The law also requires us to review your medical
condition to make sure you are still disabled under our rules."
It then says the file will be forwarded to the DDS in our state, if they
need additional info they'll tell us, and we'll receive another letter
when the review is finished. So, does this mean we aren't going to get
the short or long form, but are being thrown into a full review?
On top of this, we've had our answering machine full of automated
messages about the TTW program and how it would prevent medical reviews.
WTH? Are they trying to make people second guess their condition's
progression and own doctor's statements? What should we really expect?

The local office sounds a bit disorganized and confused. You said
that the beneficiary did no work. The letter they sent you applies to
those people who have worked and completed the TWP but their earnings
were below the SGA level, and they have a MIE impairment (medical
improvement expected). Those folks get CDRs, not merely the short
form questionnaire. Same is true for a certain minority of MIPs
(medical improvement possible) whose work was under SGA.

In the other kind of review situation, a regularly-scheduled medical
review, i.e., where no work has been performed, the system pulls up
the file according to a chronological schedule based on whether you're
MIE, MIP, or MINE. At that point, further data are entered to help
them decide whether it would be worthwhile to do a CDR and terminate
benefits. If not, they send you the short form questionnaire, 90% of
which result in deferrals. It costs about $100 to process a short
form vs. 10X that much to do a CDR. So if they think that you haven't
improved medically, they send you the short form. This is enough to
satisfy Congress.

To answer your question, if the DDS realizes that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR and it is not time for the
regularly scheduled medical review, they will tell you to forget the
whole matter. If they realize that your case has erroneously been
identified as a work CDR but your MIP or MINE review is due -- I
presume that you're not MIE as they usually get CDRs every 18 months
-- they will have your case profiled to decide whether a CDR is
worthwhile. A significant majority of MIPs and MINE's receive the
short form questionnaire. Your answers for the most part will
determine whether they do a CDR. If they do send the short form, I
can furnish a link that shows how they evaluate your answers. If they
think that you are a good candidate for a CDR, you'll get the long
form and a CDR is imminent.

The problem is that the DDS defers to the local office in most work
activity issues. If the DDS fails to see that you did no work and are
not due a work CDR, they will do a work CDR.

The TTW is purely voluntary. Ignore the pressure, or if it bothers
you, tell them to cease as you are unable to work.

None2Special

2010-08-28 20:00:42 UTC

Post by Damn-It''s-Hill (Jack)

Post by None2Special
"This letter is only a decision about how your work affects your
disability payments. The law also requires us to review your medical
condition to make sure you are still disabled under our rules."
It then says the file will be forwarded to the DDS in our state, if they
need additional info they'll tell us, and we'll receive another letter
when the review is finished. So, does this mean we aren't going to get
the short or long form, but are being thrown into a full review?
On top of this, we've had our answering machine full of automated
messages about the TTW program and how it would prevent medical reviews.
WTH? Are they trying to make people second guess their condition's
progression and own doctor's statements? What should we really expect?

The local office sounds a bit disorganized and confused. You said
that the beneficiary did no work. The letter they sent you applies to
those people who have worked and completed the TWP but their earnings
were below the SGA level, and they have a MIE impairment (medical
improvement expected). Those folks get CDRs, not merely the short
form questionnaire. Same is true for a certain minority of MIPs
(medical improvement possible) whose work was under SGA.
In the other kind of review situation, a regularly-scheduled medical
review, i.e., where no work has been performed, the system pulls up
the file according to a chronological schedule based on whether you're
MIE, MIP, or MINE. At that point, further data are entered to help
them decide whether it would be worthwhile to do a CDR and terminate
benefits. If not, they send you the short form questionnaire, 90% of
which result in deferrals. It costs about $100 to process a short
form vs. 10X that much to do a CDR. So if they think that you haven't
improved medically, they send you the short form. This is enough to
satisfy Congress.
To answer your question, if the DDS realizes that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR and it is not time for the
regularly scheduled medical review, they will tell you to forget the
whole matter. If they realize that your case has erroneously been
identified as a work CDR but your MIP or MINE review is due -- I
presume that you're not MIE as they usually get CDRs every 18 months
-- they will have your case profiled to decide whether a CDR is
worthwhile. A significant majority of MIPs and MINE's receive the
short form questionnaire. Your answers for the most part will
determine whether they do a CDR. If they do send the short form, I
can furnish a link that shows how they evaluate your answers. If they
think that you are a good candidate for a CDR, you'll get the long
form and a CDR is imminent.
The problem is that the DDS defers to the local office in most work
activity issues. If the DDS fails to see that you did no work and are
not due a work CDR, they will do a work CDR.
The TTW is purely voluntary. Ignore the pressure, or if it bothers
you, tell them to cease as you are unable to work.

Thanks, that helps clarify what to possibly expect. We'll take the wait
and see approach. The condition for him has worsened since onset and
will continue to progress. There is no improvement possible as it's a
long term degrading disease with no cure.

None2Special

2010-10-08 14:48:35 UTC

The local office sounds a bit disorganized and confused. You said
that the beneficiary did no work. The letter they sent you applies to
those people who have worked and completed the TWP but their earnings
were below the SGA level, and they have a MIE impairment (medical
improvement expected). Those folks get CDRs, not merely the short
form questionnaire. Same is true for a certain minority of MIPs
(medical improvement possible) whose work was under SGA.
In the other kind of review situation, a regularly-scheduled medical
review, i.e., where no work has been performed, the system pulls up
the file according to a chronological schedule based on whether you're
MIE, MIP, or MINE. At that point, further data are entered to help
them decide whether it would be worthwhile to do a CDR and terminate
benefits. If not, they send you the short form questionnaire, 90% of
which result in deferrals. It costs about $100 to process a short
form vs. 10X that much to do a CDR. So if they think that you haven't
improved medically, they send you the short form. This is enough to
satisfy Congress.
To answer your question, if the DDS realizes that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR and it is not time for the
regularly scheduled medical review, they will tell you to forget the
whole matter. If they realize that your case has erroneously been
identified as a work CDR but your MIP or MINE review is due -- I
presume that you're not MIE as they usually get CDRs every 18 months
-- they will have your case profiled to decide whether a CDR is
worthwhile. A significant majority of MIPs and MINE's receive the
short form questionnaire. Your answers for the most part will
determine whether they do a CDR. If they do send the short form, I
can furnish a link that shows how they evaluate your answers. If they
think that you are a good candidate for a CDR, you'll get the long
form and a CDR is imminent.
The problem is that the DDS defers to the local office in most work
activity issues. If the DDS fails to see that you did no work and are
not due a work CDR, they will do a work CDR.
The TTW is purely voluntary. Ignore the pressure, or if it bothers
you, tell them to cease as you are unable to work.

Hi again Jack,

We were sent the SSA-454-BK, with directions to return it to the local
office by mail. For some reason they sent 2 copies and 2 return
envelopes mailed 1 day apart. This is a lot to fill in. Now what?
This is absurd, so much money being wasted by them to confirm what
everyone already knows.

What is the best way to proceed with this? Obviously return this form
completed asap, but is there anything to make sure we do to keep this in
order?

Thanks

Jack

2010-10-08 18:30:43 UTC

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:48:35 -0400, None2Special

The local office sounds a bit disorganized and confused. You said
that the beneficiary did no work. The letter they sent you applies to
those people who have worked and completed the TWP but their earnings
were below the SGA level, and they have a MIE impairment (medical
improvement expected). Those folks get CDRs, not merely the short
form questionnaire. Same is true for a certain minority of MIPs
(medical improvement possible) whose work was under SGA.
In the other kind of review situation, a regularly-scheduled medical
review, i.e., where no work has been performed, the system pulls up
the file according to a chronological schedule based on whether you're
MIE, MIP, or MINE. At that point, further data are entered to help
them decide whether it would be worthwhile to do a CDR and terminate
benefits. If not, they send you the short form questionnaire, 90% of
which result in deferrals. It costs about $100 to process a short
form vs. 10X that much to do a CDR. So if they think that you haven't
improved medically, they send you the short form. This is enough to
satisfy Congress.
To answer your question, if the DDS realizes that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR and it is not time for the
regularly scheduled medical review, they will tell you to forget the
whole matter. If they realize that your case has erroneously been
identified as a work CDR but your MIP or MINE review is due -- I
presume that you're not MIE as they usually get CDRs every 18 months
-- they will have your case profiled to decide whether a CDR is
worthwhile. A significant majority of MIPs and MINE's receive the
short form questionnaire. Your answers for the most part will
determine whether they do a CDR. If they do send the short form, I
can furnish a link that shows how they evaluate your answers. If they
think that you are a good candidate for a CDR, you'll get the long
form and a CDR is imminent.
The problem is that the DDS defers to the local office in most work
activity issues. If the DDS fails to see that you did no work and are
not due a work CDR, they will do a work CDR.
The TTW is purely voluntary. Ignore the pressure, or if it bothers
you, tell them to cease as you are unable to work.

Hi again Jack,
We were sent the SSA-454-BK, with directions to return it to the local
office by mail. For some reason they sent 2 copies and 2 return
envelopes mailed 1 day apart. This is a lot to fill in. Now what?
This is absurd, so much money being wasted by them to confirm what
everyone already knows.
What is the best way to proceed with this? Obviously return this form
completed asap, but is there anything to make sure we do to keep this in
order?
Thanks

Can't explain why they sent duplicate 454s; it sounds like another
botch job. Also cannot explain why they did not send SSA-827s which
is your authorization or permission to contact the medical sources.
Just complete the 454s to the best of your ability, making sure to
include all medical sources who are treating for the disabling
conditions.

None2Special

2010-10-08 18:44:49 UTC

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:48:35 -0400, None2Special

The local office sounds a bit disorganized and confused. You said
that the beneficiary did no work. The letter they sent you applies to
those people who have worked and completed the TWP but their earnings
were below the SGA level, and they have a MIE impairment (medical
improvement expected). Those folks get CDRs, not merely the short
form questionnaire. Same is true for a certain minority of MIPs
(medical improvement possible) whose work was under SGA.
In the other kind of review situation, a regularly-scheduled medical
review, i.e., where no work has been performed, the system pulls up
the file according to a chronological schedule based on whether you're
MIE, MIP, or MINE. At that point, further data are entered to help
them decide whether it would be worthwhile to do a CDR and terminate
benefits. If not, they send you the short form questionnaire, 90% of
which result in deferrals. It costs about $100 to process a short
form vs. 10X that much to do a CDR. So if they think that you haven't
improved medically, they send you the short form. This is enough to
satisfy Congress.
To answer your question, if the DDS realizes that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR and it is not time for the
regularly scheduled medical review, they will tell you to forget the
whole matter. If they realize that your case has erroneously been
identified as a work CDR but your MIP or MINE review is due -- I
presume that you're not MIE as they usually get CDRs every 18 months
-- they will have your case profiled to decide whether a CDR is
worthwhile. A significant majority of MIPs and MINE's receive the
short form questionnaire. Your answers for the most part will
determine whether they do a CDR. If they do send the short form, I
can furnish a link that shows how they evaluate your answers. If they
think that you are a good candidate for a CDR, you'll get the long
form and a CDR is imminent.
The problem is that the DDS defers to the local office in most work
activity issues. If the DDS fails to see that you did no work and are
not due a work CDR, they will do a work CDR.
The TTW is purely voluntary. Ignore the pressure, or if it bothers
you, tell them to cease as you are unable to work.

Hi again Jack,
We were sent the SSA-454-BK, with directions to return it to the local
office by mail. For some reason they sent 2 copies and 2 return
envelopes mailed 1 day apart. This is a lot to fill in. Now what?
This is absurd, so much money being wasted by them to confirm what
everyone already knows.
What is the best way to proceed with this? Obviously return this form
completed asap, but is there anything to make sure we do to keep this in
order?
Thanks

Ok, we did find the SSA-827, 2 copies in each packet. There is also a
field observation report form that says to be used in lieu of
SSA-3367...which obviously we don't complete...but it seems the local
office does. Should we just mail this in their envelope, or somehow go
sit in line at the office all day?

Jack

2010-10-08 19:53:29 UTC

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:44:49 -0400, None2Special

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:48:35 -0400, None2Special

The local office sounds a bit disorganized and confused. You said
that the beneficiary did no work. The letter they sent you applies to
those people who have worked and completed the TWP but their earnings
were below the SGA level, and they have a MIE impairment (medical
improvement expected). Those folks get CDRs, not merely the short
form questionnaire. Same is true for a certain minority of MIPs
(medical improvement possible) whose work was under SGA.
In the other kind of review situation, a regularly-scheduled medical
review, i.e., where no work has been performed, the system pulls up
the file according to a chronological schedule based on whether you're
MIE, MIP, or MINE. At that point, further data are entered to help
them decide whether it would be worthwhile to do a CDR and terminate
benefits. If not, they send you the short form questionnaire, 90% of
which result in deferrals. It costs about $100 to process a short
form vs. 10X that much to do a CDR. So if they think that you haven't
improved medically, they send you the short form. This is enough to
satisfy Congress.
To answer your question, if the DDS realizes that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR and it is not time for the
regularly scheduled medical review, they will tell you to forget the
whole matter. If they realize that your case has erroneously been
identified as a work CDR but your MIP or MINE review is due -- I
presume that you're not MIE as they usually get CDRs every 18 months
-- they will have your case profiled to decide whether a CDR is
worthwhile. A significant majority of MIPs and MINE's receive the
short form questionnaire. Your answers for the most part will
determine whether they do a CDR. If they do send the short form, I
can furnish a link that shows how they evaluate your answers. If they
think that you are a good candidate for a CDR, you'll get the long
form and a CDR is imminent.
The problem is that the DDS defers to the local office in most work
activity issues. If the DDS fails to see that you did no work and are
not due a work CDR, they will do a work CDR.
The TTW is purely voluntary. Ignore the pressure, or if it bothers
you, tell them to cease as you are unable to work.

Hi again Jack,
We were sent the SSA-454-BK, with directions to return it to the local
office by mail. For some reason they sent 2 copies and 2 return
envelopes mailed 1 day apart. This is a lot to fill in. Now what?
This is absurd, so much money being wasted by them to confirm what
everyone already knows.
What is the best way to proceed with this? Obviously return this form
completed asap, but is there anything to make sure we do to keep this in
order?
Thanks

Mail everything to the designated office.

None2Special

2010-10-08 19:57:16 UTC

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:44:49 -0400, None2Special

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:48:35 -0400, None2Special

The local office sounds a bit disorganized and confused. You said
that the beneficiary did no work. The letter they sent you applies to
those people who have worked and completed the TWP but their earnings
were below the SGA level, and they have a MIE impairment (medical
improvement expected). Those folks get CDRs, not merely the short
form questionnaire. Same is true for a certain minority of MIPs
(medical improvement possible) whose work was under SGA.
In the other kind of review situation, a regularly-scheduled medical
review, i.e., where no work has been performed, the system pulls up
the file according to a chronological schedule based on whether you're
MIE, MIP, or MINE. At that point, further data are entered to help
them decide whether it would be worthwhile to do a CDR and terminate
benefits. If not, they send you the short form questionnaire, 90% of
which result in deferrals. It costs about $100 to process a short
form vs. 10X that much to do a CDR. So if they think that you haven't
improved medically, they send you the short form. This is enough to
satisfy Congress.
To answer your question, if the DDS realizes that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR and it is not time for the
regularly scheduled medical review, they will tell you to forget the
whole matter. If they realize that your case has erroneously been
identified as a work CDR but your MIP or MINE review is due -- I
presume that you're not MIE as they usually get CDRs every 18 months
-- they will have your case profiled to decide whether a CDR is
worthwhile. A significant majority of MIPs and MINE's receive the
short form questionnaire. Your answers for the most part will
determine whether they do a CDR. If they do send the short form, I
can furnish a link that shows how they evaluate your answers. If they
think that you are a good candidate for a CDR, you'll get the long
form and a CDR is imminent.
The problem is that the DDS defers to the local office in most work
activity issues. If the DDS fails to see that you did no work and are
not due a work CDR, they will do a work CDR.
The TTW is purely voluntary. Ignore the pressure, or if it bothers
you, tell them to cease as you are unable to work.

Hi again Jack,
We were sent the SSA-454-BK, with directions to return it to the local
office by mail. For some reason they sent 2 copies and 2 return
envelopes mailed 1 day apart. This is a lot to fill in. Now what?
This is absurd, so much money being wasted by them to confirm what
everyone already knows.
What is the best way to proceed with this? Obviously return this form
completed asap, but is there anything to make sure we do to keep this in
order?
Thanks

Mail everything to the designated office.

Ok, thanks for the help again. This is just nuts, all because I went to
work. So, let's stress out the spouse and the person with the
disability all over again. Just a rant to vent. Take it easy.

Jack

2010-10-09 00:46:52 UTC

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:44:49 -0400, None2Special

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:48:35 -0400, None2Special

Thanks for the help on all of this. We received a response
saying: "This letter is only a decision about how your work
affects your disability payments. The law also requires us to
review your medical condition to make sure you are still
disabled under our rules."
It then says the file will be forwarded to the DDS in our
state, if they need additional info they'll tell us, and we'll
receive another letter when the review is finished. So, does
this mean we aren't going to get the short or long form, but
are being thrown into a full review?
On top of this, we've had our answering machine full of
automated messages about the TTW program and how it would
prevent medical reviews. WTH? Are they trying to make people
second guess their condition's progression and own doctor's
statements? What should we really expect?

The local office sounds a bit disorganized and confused. You
said that the beneficiary did no work. The letter they sent you
applies to those people who have worked and completed the TWP
but their earnings were below the SGA level, and they have a MIE
impairment (medical improvement expected). Those folks get CDRs,
not merely the short form questionnaire. Same is true for a
certain minority of MIPs (medical improvement possible) whose
work was under SGA.
In the other kind of review situation, a regularly-scheduled
medical review, i.e., where no work has been performed, the
system pulls up the file according to a chronological schedule
based on whether you're MIE, MIP, or MINE. At that point,
further data are entered to help them decide whether it would be
worthwhile to do a CDR and terminate benefits. If not, they send
you the short form questionnaire, 90% of which result in
deferrals. It costs about $100 to process a short form vs. 10X
that much to do a CDR. So if they think that you haven't
improved medically, they send you the short form. This is enough
to satisfy Congress.
To answer your question, if the DDS realizes that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR and it is not time for
the regularly scheduled medical review, they will tell you to
forget the whole matter. If they realize that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR but your MIP or MINE
review is due -- I presume that you're not MIE as they usually
get CDRs every 18 months -- they will have your case profiled to
decide whether a CDR is worthwhile. A significant majority of
MIPs and MINE's receive the short form questionnaire. Your
answers for the most part will determine whether they do a CDR.
If they do send the short form, I can furnish a link that shows
how they evaluate your answers. If they think that you are a
good candidate for a CDR, you'll get the long form and a CDR is
imminent.
The problem is that the DDS defers to the local office in most
work activity issues. If the DDS fails to see that you did no
work and are not due a work CDR, they will do a work CDR.
The TTW is purely voluntary. Ignore the pressure, or if it
bothers you, tell them to cease as you are unable to work.

Thanks, that helps clarify what to possibly expect. We'll take
the wait and see approach. The condition for him has worsened
since onset and will continue to progress. There is no
improvement possible as it's a long term degrading disease with
no cure.

Hi again Jack,
We were sent the SSA-454-BK, with directions to return it to the
local office by mail. For some reason they sent 2 copies and 2
return envelopes mailed 1 day apart. This is a lot to fill in.
Now what? This is absurd, so much money being wasted by them to
confirm what everyone already knows.
What is the best way to proceed with this? Obviously return this
form completed asap, but is there anything to make sure we do to
keep this in order?
Thanks

Can't explain why they sent duplicate 454s; it sounds like another
botch job. Also cannot explain why they did not send SSA-827s
which is your authorization or permission to contact the medical
sources. Just complete the 454s to the best of your ability, making
sure to include all medical sources who are treating for the
disabling conditions.

Ok, we did find the SSA-827, 2 copies in each packet. There is also
a field observation report form that says to be used in lieu of
SSA-3367...which obviously we don't complete...but it seems the
local office does. Should we just mail this in their envelope, or
somehow go sit in line at the office all day?

Mail everything to the designated office.

Ok, thanks for the help again. This is just nuts, all because I went
to work. So, let's stress out the spouse and the person with the
disability all over again. Just a rant to vent. Take it easy.

Why are you whining about the consequences of a situation that you
created unnecessarily? You should have just continued to sit on your fat
ass and collect your free money like a good little societal parasite.

Jack

2010-10-09 10:42:24 UTC

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:57:16 -0400, None2Special

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:44:49 -0400, None2Special

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:48:35 -0400, None2Special

The local office sounds a bit disorganized and confused. You said
that the beneficiary did no work. The letter they sent you applies to
those people who have worked and completed the TWP but their earnings
were below the SGA level, and they have a MIE impairment (medical
improvement expected). Those folks get CDRs, not merely the short
form questionnaire. Same is true for a certain minority of MIPs
(medical improvement possible) whose work was under SGA.
In the other kind of review situation, a regularly-scheduled medical
review, i.e., where no work has been performed, the system pulls up
the file according to a chronological schedule based on whether you're
MIE, MIP, or MINE. At that point, further data are entered to help
them decide whether it would be worthwhile to do a CDR and terminate
benefits. If not, they send you the short form questionnaire, 90% of
which result in deferrals. It costs about $100 to process a short
form vs. 10X that much to do a CDR. So if they think that you haven't
improved medically, they send you the short form. This is enough to
satisfy Congress.
To answer your question, if the DDS realizes that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR and it is not time for the
regularly scheduled medical review, they will tell you to forget the
whole matter. If they realize that your case has erroneously been
identified as a work CDR but your MIP or MINE review is due -- I
presume that you're not MIE as they usually get CDRs every 18 months
-- they will have your case profiled to decide whether a CDR is
worthwhile. A significant majority of MIPs and MINE's receive the
short form questionnaire. Your answers for the most part will
determine whether they do a CDR. If they do send the short form, I
can furnish a link that shows how they evaluate your answers. If they
think that you are a good candidate for a CDR, you'll get the long
form and a CDR is imminent.
The problem is that the DDS defers to the local office in most work
activity issues. If the DDS fails to see that you did no work and are
not due a work CDR, they will do a work CDR.
The TTW is purely voluntary. Ignore the pressure, or if it bothers
you, tell them to cease as you are unable to work.

Hi again Jack,
We were sent the SSA-454-BK, with directions to return it to the local
office by mail. For some reason they sent 2 copies and 2 return
envelopes mailed 1 day apart. This is a lot to fill in. Now what?
This is absurd, so much money being wasted by them to confirm what
everyone already knows.
What is the best way to proceed with this? Obviously return this form
completed asap, but is there anything to make sure we do to keep this in
order?
Thanks

Mail everything to the designated office.

Ok, thanks for the help again. This is just nuts, all because I went to
work. So, let's stress out the spouse and the person with the
disability all over again. Just a rant to vent. Take it easy.

In FY 2004 3.6% of cases went to CDR and the CDR cessation rate was
11.4%

http://www.ssa.gov/oig/ADOBEPDF/audittxt/A-07-05-15094.htm

Compared to 60-70% of initial claims denied. This is because of a
1984 legal requirement called the medical improvement review standard
which requires SSA to jump through more legal hoops in CDRs.

The URL is not clear as to whether these full medical CDRs include
only those that arose from the regularly-scheduled reexams, or also
those full medical CDRs that were triggered by work activity , i.e.,
TWP was used up, work was not SGA, but the person was on the rolls for
less than two years. At any rate, your description of your husband's
case suggests that his odds of cessation are less than 11%.

None2Special

2010-10-09 14:04:38 UTC

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:57:16 -0400, None2Special

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:44:49 -0400, None2Special

Post by Jack
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:48:35 -0400, None2Special

The local office sounds a bit disorganized and confused. You said
that the beneficiary did no work. The letter they sent you applies to
those people who have worked and completed the TWP but their earnings
were below the SGA level, and they have a MIE impairment (medical
improvement expected). Those folks get CDRs, not merely the short
form questionnaire. Same is true for a certain minority of MIPs
(medical improvement possible) whose work was under SGA.
In the other kind of review situation, a regularly-scheduled medical
review, i.e., where no work has been performed, the system pulls up
the file according to a chronological schedule based on whether you're
MIE, MIP, or MINE. At that point, further data are entered to help
them decide whether it would be worthwhile to do a CDR and terminate
benefits. If not, they send you the short form questionnaire, 90% of
which result in deferrals. It costs about $100 to process a short
form vs. 10X that much to do a CDR. So if they think that you haven't
improved medically, they send you the short form. This is enough to
satisfy Congress.
To answer your question, if the DDS realizes that your case has
erroneously been identified as a work CDR and it is not time for the
regularly scheduled medical review, they will tell you to forget the
whole matter. If they realize that your case has erroneously been
identified as a work CDR but your MIP or MINE review is due -- I
presume that you're not MIE as they usually get CDRs every 18 months
-- they will have your case profiled to decide whether a CDR is
worthwhile. A significant majority of MIPs and MINE's receive the
short form questionnaire. Your answers for the most part will
determine whether they do a CDR. If they do send the short form, I
can furnish a link that shows how they evaluate your answers. If they
think that you are a good candidate for a CDR, you'll get the long
form and a CDR is imminent.
The problem is that the DDS defers to the local office in most work
activity issues. If the DDS fails to see that you did no work and are
not due a work CDR, they will do a work CDR.
The TTW is purely voluntary. Ignore the pressure, or if it bothers
you, tell them to cease as you are unable to work.

Hi again Jack,
We were sent the SSA-454-BK, with directions to return it to the local
office by mail. For some reason they sent 2 copies and 2 return
envelopes mailed 1 day apart. This is a lot to fill in. Now what?
This is absurd, so much money being wasted by them to confirm what
everyone already knows.
What is the best way to proceed with this? Obviously return this form
completed asap, but is there anything to make sure we do to keep this in
order?
Thanks

Mail everything to the designated office.

Ok, thanks for the help again. This is just nuts, all because I went to
work. So, let's stress out the spouse and the person with the
disability all over again. Just a rant to vent. Take it easy.

In FY 2004 3.6% of cases went to CDR and the CDR cessation rate was
11.4%
http://www.ssa.gov/oig/ADOBEPDF/audittxt/A-07-05-15094.htm
Compared to 60-70% of initial claims denied. This is because of a
1984 legal requirement called the medical improvement review standard
which requires SSA to jump through more legal hoops in CDRs.
The URL is not clear as to whether these full medical CDRs include
only those that arose from the regularly-scheduled reexams, or also
those full medical CDRs that were triggered by work activity , i.e.,
TWP was used up, work was not SGA, but the person was on the rolls for
less than two years. At any rate, your description of your husband's
case suggests that his odds of cessation are less than 11%.

Thanks, that eases my mind as I fill out these forms today for him.
It's the multiple levels of incompetence I'm seeing that makes it very
stressful when I have to think about my family's well-being. Hell, if
they would find him a cure and a way to repair all of the damage done
already, he would be happy to get back to his old self. But, we know
that's a fantasy in our lifetime and he'll continue to progress in the
downward spiral.

Jack

2010-10-09 14:19:34 UTC

On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:04:38 -0400, None2Special

Post by None2Special
Thanks, that eases my mind as I fill out these forms today for him.
It's the multiple levels of incompetence I'm seeing that makes it very
stressful when I have to think about my family's well-being.

Yeah, our big, bloated govt. is so efficient.

(Sarcasm off)

Post by None2Special
Hell, if
they would find him a cure and a way to repair all of the damage done
already, he would be happy to get back to his old self. But, we know
that's a fantasy in our lifetime and he'll continue to progress in the
downward spiral.

It's bad enough when a debilitating illness hits the geezer set, but
when it hits a younger individual in his/her working prime with a
family to support . . . .

None2Special

2010-10-09 15:02:09 UTC

Post by Jack
On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:04:38 -0400, None2Special

Yeah, our big, bloated govt. is so efficient.
(Sarcasm off)

Yea, just love it. ;)

Post by Jack

It's bad enough when a debilitating illness hits the geezer set, but
when it hits a younger individual in his/her working prime with a
family to support . . . .

It's then more than just an oh my...it's an oh shit and many other
expletives and cry sessions in the shower. I'm glad we have a country
like ours in general, it's the BS whoopsies that get old.

K, I'm off the soapbox now. Thanks for the help again, it's always
appreciated.

Warf

2010-07-08 23:37:04 UTC

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt qualify,
thereby shooting herself in the foot.

Was that your first, second, third or fourth ex?

Relayer

2010-07-10 13:33:32 UTC

Post by Warf

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt qualify,
thereby shooting herself in the foot.

Was that your first, second, third or fourth ex?

I don't have multiple ex's. I have however, unlike you, have actually
had sex with a woman. Actually, more than one. I'll call you "Righty"
as left handers are typically known to be more intelligent.

Warf

2010-07-10 21:37:35 UTC

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt qualify,
thereby shooting herself in the foot.

Was that your first, second, third or fourth ex?

I don't have multiple ex's. I have however, unlike you, have actually
had sex with a woman. Actually, more than one.

Dream on and enjoy your fantasy. It's obviously all you have during the
short time interval beween now and when your lights go out.

Post by Relayer
I'll call you "Righty"
as left handers are typically known to be more intelligent.

Not everyone can be as intellectually gifted as you. Those of us who are
less gifted simply have to struggle through life as best we can. On the
bright side, I'll be pursuing my continuing struggle as well as the
pleasures of life long after you have reached room temperature.

Relayer

2010-07-11 10:21:47 UTC

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt qualify,
thereby shooting herself in the foot.

Was that your first, second, third or fourth ex?

I don't have multiple ex's. I have however, unlike you, have actually
had sex with a woman. Actually, more than one.

Dream on and enjoy your fantasy. It's obviously all you have during the
short time interval beween now and when your lights go out.

Post by Relayer
I'll call you "Righty"
as left handers are typically known to be more intelligent.

Not everyone can be as intellectually gifted as you. Those of us who are
less gifted simply have to struggle through life as best we can.

I know. I feel for you eight (and I don't mean hand)

Twayne

2010-07-11 15:12:04 UTC

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Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
When a family has at least two younger children and a
spouse is employed, it's often better for the spouse
not to apply for benefits. This will ensure that the
disability max will be paid.

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt
qualify, thereby shooting herself in the foot.

Was that your first, second, third or fourth ex?

I don't have multiple ex's. I have however, unlike you,
have actually had sex with a woman. Actually, more than
one.

Dream on and enjoy your fantasy. It's obviously all you
have during the short time interval beween now and when
your lights go out.

Post by Relayer
I'll call you "Righty"
as left handers are typically known to be more
intelligent.

Not everyone can be as intellectually gifted as you.
Those of us who are less gifted simply have to struggle
through life as best we can.

I know. I feel for you eight (and I don't mean hand)

You let warf suck you into it again in a legitimate poster's post, relayer.
You used to have a redeeming value but ...

Relayer

2010-07-12 14:18:35 UTC

Post by Twayne

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Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
When a family has at least two younger children and a
spouse is employed, it's often better for the spouse
not to apply for benefits. This will ensure that the
disability max will be paid.

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt
qualify, thereby shooting herself in the foot.

Was that your first, second, third or fourth ex?

I don't have multiple ex's. I have however, unlike you,
have actually had sex with a woman. Actually, more than
one.

Dream on and enjoy your fantasy. It's obviously all you
have during the short time interval beween now and when
your lights go out.

Post by Relayer
I'll call you "Righty"
as left handers are typically known to be more
intelligent.

Not everyone can be as intellectually gifted as you.
Those of us who are less gifted simply have to struggle
through life as best we can.

I know. I feel for you eight (and I don't mean hand)

You let warf suck you into it again in a legitimate poster's post, relayer.
You used to have a redeeming value but ...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I had someone in "real life" say the same thing to me about dying last
week. In reality, Gary is intelligent and while an awful lot of people
on the internet hate him, I don't. He's quite knowledgeable in
acoustics and quite frankly, I am too tired and sick to comment on him
further. I was surprised with his on-line reputation as he seems to
hate and degrade everyone, whereas he knows nothing about any of us.

2010-07-13 01:48:05 UTC

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Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
When a family has at least two younger children and a
spouse is employed, it's often better for the spouse
not to apply for benefits. This will ensure that the
disability max will be paid.

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt
qualify, thereby shooting herself in the foot.

Was that your first, second, third or fourth ex?

I don't have multiple ex's. I have however, unlike you,
have actually had sex with a woman. Actually, more than
one.

Dream on and enjoy your fantasy. It's obviously all you
have during the short time interval beween now and when
your lights go out.

Post by Relayer
I'll call you "Righty"
as left handers are typically known to be more
intelligent.

Not everyone can be as intellectually gifted as you.
Those of us who are less gifted simply have to struggle
through life as best we can.

I know. I feel for you eight (and I don't mean hand)

You let warf suck you into it again in a legitimate poster's post,
relaye

Post by Twayne
You used to have a redeeming value but ...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Who the fuck do you think you are kidding? That's not a conclusion that
anyone of sound mind would reach after reading the recent barrage of
childish, ad-hominem, defamatory attacks by the resident gutter turds in
this cesspool. Like it or not, you and all of the other gutter this
cesspool have exposed themselves for what they are, despite their cowardly
anonymity, which at best is likely to be only temporary .

Relayer

2010-07-13 09:36:50 UTC

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Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
When a family has at least two younger children and a
spouse is employed, it's often better for the spouse
not to apply for benefits. This will ensure that the
disability max will be paid.

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt
qualify, thereby shooting herself in the foot.

Was that your first, second, third or fourth ex?

I don't have multiple ex's. I have however, unlike you,
have actually had sex with a woman. Actually, more than
one.

Dream on and enjoy your fantasy. It's obviously all you
have during the short time interval beween now and when
your lights go out.

Post by Relayer
I'll call you "Righty"
as left handers are typically known to be more
intelligent.

Not everyone can be as intellectually gifted as you.
Those of us who are less gifted simply have to struggle
through life as best we can.

I know. I feel for you eight (and I don't mean hand)

You let warf suck you into it again in a legitimate poster's post,
relaye

Post by Twayne
You used to have a redeeming value but ...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Me saying "I had someone in "real life" say the same thing to me about
dying last
week. In reality, Gary is intelligent and while an awful lot of
people
on the internet hate him, I don't. He's quite knowledgeable in
acoustics and quite frankly, I am too tired and sick to comment on
him
further. I was surprised with his on-line reputation as he seems to
hate and degrade everyone, whereas he knows nothing about any of us. "

My mind is not sound with that statement?

Although I do have PTSD as a result of my surgery.

2010-07-14 00:30:37 UTC

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Post by Twayne

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Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
When a family has at least two younger children and a
spouse is employed, it's often better for the spouse
not to apply for benefits. This will ensure that the
disability max will be paid.

Which is exactly what my idiot ex did. And she did npt
qualify, thereby shooting herself in the foot.

Was that your first, second, third or fourth ex?

I don't have multiple ex's. I have however, unlike you,
have actually had sex with a woman. Actually, more than
one.

Dream on and enjoy your fantasy. It's obviously all you
have during the short time interval beween now and when
your lights go out.

Post by Relayer
I'll call you "Righty"
as left handers are typically known to be more
intelligent.

Not everyone can be as intellectually gifted as you.
Those of us who are less gifted simply have to struggle
through life as best we can.

I know. I feel for you eight (and I don't mean hand)

You let warf suck you into it again in a legitimate poster's post,
relaye

Post by Twayne
You used to have a redeeming value but ...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I had someone in "real life" say the same thing to me about dying
last week. In reality, Gary is intelligent and while an awful lot
of people on the internet hate him, I don't. He's quite
knowledgeable in acoustics and quite frankly, I am too tired and
sick to comment on him further. I was surprised with his on-line
reputation as he seems to hate and degrade everyone, whereas he
knows nothing about any of us.

Who the fuck do you think you are kidding? That's not a conclusion
tha

anyone of sound mind would reach after reading the recent barrage of
childish, ad-hominem, defamatory attacks by the resident gutter turds
in this cesspool. Like it or not, you and all of the other gutter
this cesspool have exposed themselves for what they are, despite
their cowardl

anonymity, which at best is likely to be only temporary .- Hide
quoted te

xt -

- Show quoted text -

Me saying "I had someone in "real life" say the same thing to me about
dying last
week. In reality, Gary is intelligent and while an awful lot of people
on the internet hate him, I don't. He's quite knowledgeable in
acoustics and quite frankly, I am too tired and sick to comment on him
further. I was surprised with his on-line reputation as he seems to
hate and degrade everyone, whereas he knows nothing about any of us. "
My mind is not sound with that statement?
Although I do have PTSD as a result of my surgery.

With regard to the issue of who know what about whom, here's a reality
chack for you.

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Barf trolls Usenet to get the attention he should have gotten from
Mama Kathryn. For ya see, mama K was not a very good mama. She pretty
much ignored Barfy and let him raise himself. Crocodile mamas are
better mamas. Mama frogs are better mamas. Hell, even mama tsetse
flies are better mamas!!! Not everyone is cut out to be a good
parent.

Can I get an amen from ya?

But there's a ray of sunshine. As Barfy's trolling here increases,
the incidence of stalking at Newton Beach playgrounds and schoolyards
decreases. Pedophilia's a heinous crime. Even gentle Jesus preached
violence against pedos. They tied millstones around their necks and
cast them into the sea. White pedos were dumped into the Dead Sea
while black pedos went into the Black Sea. Segregation was still
being practiced in those days.

Now gimme another amen!

Twayne

2010-07-11 15:10:36 UTC

Typical trash talk; no value other than comedic.

In news:i1ap6v$v0p$***@news.eternal-september.org,
Warf <***@Starship_Enterprise.com> typed:
...

Michael Moffett

2014-03-25 22:04:31 UTC

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:43:01 -0400, None2Special

They should have sent some type of explanation, e.g., earnings are
showing up in our system, a 3rd party reported that you have returned
to work, etc.
I would complete the form and state emphatically that he hasn't worked
in any way since his established onset date. Repeat the statement
multiple times throughout the form. Where they ask for "Employer,"
say "None."
It could be that the final disability pmts. from his employer somehow
showed up as wages and the system triggered the 821. In item 2 where
they ask you to explain why earnings are showing up, say "I do not
know," and repeat the statement that you have not worked since onset
date.
If possible, make a copy of the completed 821 for your records.

HI JACK I was not sure how to reach you or add you as a friend or anything but you seem to understand this stuff and I am on the verge of a heart attack I think. I just put a post up asking for help if you have time and see it could you please find it in your heart to maybe give me a little advice?? Thank you so much for your time and help!!

Michael Moffett

j***@juno.com

2014-03-26 13:53:27 UTC

On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:04:31 -0700 (PDT), Michael Moffett

Post by Michael Moffett

Post by Sometimes-It''s-Hill (Jack)
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:43:01 -0400, None2Special

They should have sent some type of explanation, e.g., earnings are
showing up in our system, a 3rd party reported that you have returned
to work, etc.
I would complete the form and state emphatically that he hasn't worked
in any way since his established onset date. Repeat the statement
multiple times throughout the form. Where they ask for "Employer,"
say "None."
It could be that the final disability pmts. from his employer somehow
showed up as wages and the system triggered the 821. In item 2 where
they ask you to explain why earnings are showing up, say "I do not
know," and repeat the statement that you have not worked since onset
date.
If possible, make a copy of the completed 821 for your records.

Not sure who contacted you (who called themselves "Jack"), but the
person who used to work at Social Security appears to have died. The
private newsgroup he created no longer functions and he does not post
there. He had the good info and knew what he was talking about. The
fact he has not posted for so long seems to indicate he is no longer
around--otherwise he would still be postiing on his private group.

Geraldine Abrahamson

2014-03-26 19:58:45 UTC

Post by j***@juno.com
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:04:31 -0700 (PDT), Michael Moffett

-----Moffett bull-crap snipped---

Post by j***@juno.com
Not sure who contacted you (who called themselves "Jack"), but the
person who used to work at Social Security appears to have died. The
private newsgroup he created no longer functions and he does not post
there. He had the good info and knew what he was talking about. The
fact he has not posted for so long seems to indicate he is no longer
around--otherwise he would still be postiing on his private group.

It's been evident for some time that your memory and other mental faculties
are failing, Geraldine.

In a post to this cesspool late last year, your fellow gutter turd, self-
proclaimed sociopath and life-long societal parasite, James Stuart Hodges
(aka sixstringstu), stated the following:
"I spoke with our Jack the other day, he's doing as best he can and still
taking care of the warrior princess."

Also, your beloved "WayBack, BroJack Jack Shitwad Wesolowski" is still
trolling and spamming several newsgroups on the Usenet. One of the nyms
that he is currently using is CC Rider. Look him up. I'd give you a few
hints on where to find him, but it's apparent that your deteriorating
mental faculties could use some exercise.

Jack Wesolowski, a 70-year old, mentally-ill, retired SSD worker, foul-
mouthed bigot, racist, liar, spammer and troll.

Here's an to psychopath Jack Wesolowski from rec.sport.boxing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.boxing/msg/336baad3954b6f51?...
http://tinyurl.com/7ldhq3b

"Way Back Jack, his mother licks my crack,
Then she sucks my dick until it's yellah.
An' his mother-fuckin' fathah doesn't so much as bother
To use some spittle when he's bung-holin' little
Boys, before they're rollin' in the shower, their 'nads all a'
swollen,
While our perverted faggot Jack laps up all their bloody turds.
He's a real low-life fellah, whose perversion escapes mere words

And one from alt.native, May 4, 2002.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.native/msg/0f12476019613f13?dmode=...
http://tinyurl.com/6ugweze

Brother Jack is a racist bigot
His mouth is a toxic old spigot
He spews out his hate
He never can wait
To find some more dolts who will dig it!

We know a white jerk named Jack
Who really wants to be black
He calls himself "brother"
Wears clothes from his mother(*)
The truth is he's just a hack

We see his rantings as racist bile
His words typically ugly and vile
The master of hate
Thank God he won't mate
Let us leave him alone for awhile

Jack Wesolowski, aka
CC Rider
Bob Cain (resurrected)
joe momma
farting boar
diane roselles
dr jackal
Repeal Obama
Mothzer Roselles
Xavier
Amber Travsky
Vladimir Tschenko Badenovsky
Off the moonbat
A liberal's worst nightmare
Swatting Moonbatz
Ruth Chilton
That Sleazy Cunt Piglosi
Obama Nation is Abomination
ObamaNation=Abomination
Let it Rock
Nobama
Repeal Obama
Mother Roselles
Swatting Moonbatz
Amber Travsky
Gary Sokolisch
Weary Bruiser 1 ***@home.net
Vladimir Badenovsky
Mike Gibson's Ghost
Gary Sokolosch
Gary Sakolich
THE REAL GARY
GARY IN ANIMAL RESEARCH
GARY THE "ENGINEER"
Calhoun
Bobby Fuller
Calhoon
Jack (***@home.)
JackW (***@home)
***@home. (jack)
BroJack
Bro Jack
***@my-deja.com
waybackjack
way back jack
jackweso
JackWesolowski
***@email.msn.com (***@my-deja.com)
Jack Wesolowski (***@freewwweb.com)
***@windswept.net (BroJack)
***@Home (Jack W)
***@email.msn.com (***@my-deja.com)
Jack from waaaayyyyyBack

John F Wesolowski
3045 Old Washington Rd
Westminster, MD 21157
(410) 876-6914
http://tinyurl.com/6cv8t2e

j***@juno.com

2014-03-27 13:32:13 UTC